Flourishing in the Eighth Decade!

Women everywhere, welcome to our blogspot, a space for sharing experiences, thoughts, and ideas about how to overcome obstacles and thrive as we approach and endure in the eighth decade of life. We hope this exchange will be a source of inspiration for the next generation of seventy year olds. Those baby boomers are hot on our heels, and want to know more about what lies ahead. Nobody gave us a guidebook or shared what this path might be like. As we burn those seventy candles, we can help shed some light on the trail for them.

What has this transition been like for you? Serious, funny, commonplace, unusual, short, long stories, all are welcome. How does it feel to be among the oldest in the crowd? What does it take to thrive in this decade? How do you think others see you? What contributes to well-being and yes, flourishing at three score and ten?

We welcome the comments and reflections of women everywhere. All cultures, ethnicities, socioeconomic status and backgrounds; as diverse a sample as we can reach.

Please contribute brief anecdotes, observations, thoughts, ideas, and life stories by posting them in the comment section below.

Alternatively, you could email longer stories to us at [email protected]. Please include information about your age, ethnicity/cultural background, geographic location, education, and work status. We will organize, collate, and share your emailed stories anonymously on this blogspot. Ultimately this may become a book about how our generation flourishes. Spread the word!!

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70Candles Graduate

Amy Bryant, Age 84

As I reflect on the posts that I contributed to 70Candles, I realize how vain I was in my 70s. I was often mistaken for fifteen years younger than my actual age, and as my mother had done, I made younger friends, many of whom were having trouble keeping up with me.
A tennis accident required having a metal bar inserted in my wrist to keep my hand from falling off my arm, but that was no big deal. I was back on the courts in record time. And oh yes, a bout with cancer slowed me down for several months, but it was a form that does not return, so after an unwelcomed season, I was back on the streets of Safety Harbor, as well as entertainment venues, dancing in Flash Mobs. Coupled with two to three days a week on the tennis courts, three days of Zumba, three days at the gym, and five days in stretch class, I was invincible. Mindful not to overdo, I took Sundays off, hanging at the tiki bar and sunning myself poolside.
My firm belief in holistic health assured me that if you eat right and exercise diligently you will maintain your youthful physicality and bypass the “ageing process.”
Wrong!
Soon after lightning 80 candles, I faced a semi-stroke-like brain episode that rearranged my sleep patterns, robbed me of the energy to pursue high-level aerobics, and my muscle tone went kaput. My body waged war on me and I lost the magical 15 years advantage. Holistic lifestyle betrayed me. Just like generations before me, I was turning old.
Indulging in self-pity I thought it was just me. As I looked at my sorority sisters on our Zoom meetings, they looked great from the crown of the head to the gentle curve of the shoulders. But as people began discussing their health more openly, I discovered that the Zoom portrait hid signs of ageing in my sisters as well. Talking with other friends who were lighting 80 candles, I learned that they, too, were experiencing unexpected, and certainly unwelcome signs of ageing. As we pondered together, we raised the question: how do we reconcile our generation’s newly defined expectations of ageing when the unwelcome realities intrude in our lives?
Herein lies the dilemma . . .

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We Were in it Together– Until We Weren’t

Barbara Beckwith, age 87

We’ve always done things together, my husband and I. We fell in love in college, married and raised two sons, biked and hiked, cooked and danced, shared our disparate views and careers, he as a scientist, I as a writer. We learned together how to argue successfully, how to be okay with each other’s backseat driving, from shouts of “slow down, it’s icy!” to “watch out! – the truck on your left is cutting you off!”

Our togetherness has changed since Alzheimer’s entered our lives. From the time we were told he had “mild cognitive impairment,” and even when it shifted to “early Alzheimer’s,” we remained a team.

For more than a year, we together managed his meds, paid our bills, struggled to complete our taxes. We made socializing with friends a joint challenge: he’d start a story, and I’d supply the name of a French town, favorite film, old friend, justice issue, book title, historical fact.

As his condition changed, I resorted more and more to “20 Questions” guessing, as we both struggled to find the word he was searching for, what story from our joint past “we” could tell.

During the three years that my husband remained at home, “we” shifted to those of us who cared for him. Family members who took over the finances. Friends who offered soups and casseroles, when shopping with him became too difficult for me. Hired “companions” who I greeted with tears, grateful for the caregiving time off they gave me. Neighborhood pre-teens who listened and responded with respect when he talked to them – about what, they could not discern.

Before my husband had to move to a memory care facility, we “care partners” had to confer with each other behind closed doors over how to deal with multiplying crises, which in turn created new problems. He noticed and grew suspicious, accusing us of not telling him what was going on.

And he was right: we were not telling him what was going on. As we were becoming close as a team, my husband seemed to me to be drifting away from his former self.

At each neurology appointment, when asked how he felt, he’d say he felt fine. Then I’d be pulled aside and asked – how is he really? And how was I? Was I safe?

Was I safe? Depends on your definition. He often became frustrated. He thought I’d hidden his wallet, his hat, his glasses. He would imagine projects that didn’t exist and accuse me of not helping him achieve them. He would throw around papers or books, and bang on the table or wall in anger.

Even though I knew it was the disease that was making him angry, I initially over-reacted. I found myself responding as if to a domineering man. If he yelled, I would shut myself off in another room and shout: “Don’t you get violent, or I will call the police!”

My threats didn’t work, and anyway, he didn’t hit me. What calmed him would be an apology from me for hiding his hat, taking his wallet, or blocking his project – whatever he thought I’d done. I could then shift from being his adversary to being his collaborator: “Let’s look together– I’m sure we can find it.”

My friends told me I was doing a great job taking care of him. But my need to be constantly on alert, ready to respond to confusions, accusations and outbursts – plus the lying I had to do, got to me. I resorted to pacing our apartment or roaming the neighborhood streets, babbling, “I’m a good person, I’m a good person.” I started seeing a therapist to better understand what was happening, and to keep myself under control.

Now, four years later, I regularly spend time with my husband in his memory care place; it’s within walking distance of where we lived together for 50 years. In his new home, we don’t need to argue over where he misplaced something. He can tell me which staff or residents he likes and which he imagines have taken his belongings, or are trying to kill him. I now know to respond with a sympathetic “hmm.”

We go to live jazz performances, join in on folk song singalongs. We look at photo albums, listen to music, hold hands, dance a bit, embrace a lot.

We’re together again.

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And so begins 2025!

A warm hello to our 70Candles subscribers, visitors and blog contributors.

It’s taken a while to write this message for the new year, but much has been happening.
First, our apologies. There was a pause in our postings, while we communicated for months with folks in India responsible for the IceGram plugin. Success at last!!

You may have noticed that recent new entries appear in your email box with a “Read more” option that actually works! It takes you directly to the 70Candles.com site and allows you to read the entire new message. We no longer have to send out a Broadcast announcing the new posting. What a relief…Broadcasting was the task that had so terribly tripped us up with each of its new upgrades. A small glitch still remains as sometimes a past entry comes along for the ride, but that is being worked on.
Enough about technology…

As the world spins in unchartered directions we count on our social connections to keep us afloat. We are ever thankful for you and the continued activity on our blog. Hard to believe, but 2025 marks the 15th anniversary of this site. We have been moved as we’ve followed the lives of many of you from the very beginning, and we greatly appreciate all you have shared.

The current and hundreds of archived conversations at 70Candles.com continue to inspire many and attract new participants who, as they near or turn 70, discover topics here that still matter.

We wish you well through this year and look forward to rich conversations ahead.
Jane and Ellen

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Standing on books

Barbara Beckwith, age 87

Confined to my home after a hip operation, I dedicate myself to the physical therapist’s assignment: 45 minutes (twice a day) of exercises, mostly seated.

I eventually graduate to step-climbing exercises to prepare me for negotiating the stairs to my second-floor apartment. I don’t have the necessary gym equipment (blocks of different heights) so I shuffle around on my cane, looking for what might add up to the desired elevation (six-and-a-half inches) on which I can do this new routine.

Soon I’m huffing and puffing atop Webster’s Third International Dictionary (1966), the 3-volume tome that I abandoned long ago because of its arm-stressing weight and eye-stressing print, on top of which I’ve added my equally heavy World Atlas (1974).

Days later, when I advance to higher (eight-and-a-half-inch) step-ups to prepare for the basement (laundry room) stairs, I pile up more books: my 33-year-old Mayo Clinic Health Guide and my college yearbook (Class of ‘59)

Meanwhile, my physical therapist insists that to keep my “core” strong, I must stand at my computer. Fending off panic at this additional challenge, I prop up my laptop screen with a footstool plus my marked-up 600-page biographies of Richard Wright and Georgia O’Keefe, which I’m unlikely to re-read.

My eye-to-screen angle is properly aligned, but I type on a separate keyboard, so that too needs propping up. I create a base with 8 Steps to a Pain-free Back (the one never-injured part of my body), and Oggi in Italia (I won’t be traveling anytime soon). Atop those two, I reluctantly add my well-loved (its binding bolstered with duct-tape) New World Dictionary (1966).

My make-do computer station now works. I should be content, but I’m not: Yes, my equipment panic has subsided, yet I still feel uneasy. Something’s not right.

Dictionaries (like the ones I’m stepping on) have been my life-long passion. As a teenager, I read them for pleasure, relishing each new word discovery. I’d try them out on classmates and be miffed when they called me a show-off, since I thought everyone would share my love of words.

In other words, Webster and Roget are my friends. I trust them.

So I’ve slipped the two out from under my laptop, found equally-sized replacements, and returned my two companions to their place of honor – a shelf within my stand-up reach.

They deserve to be safe from the indignity of being used as infrastructure.

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Babushka

Barbara Beckwith, Age 87

The older I get, the more I feel like one of those stereotypical Russian ladies — babushkas, they call them — who reportedly mind everyone’s business in order to enforce good behavior, especially in public places.

I shoot a frown and wag a finger at drivers who swerve around pedestrians in crosswalks. I stop short when cellphone-preoccupied walkers are about to run into me, forcing them into startled side-steps before returning to oblivious messaging. At my neighborhood cafe, I thrust one of its several “no cellphones, please” signs at customers who fail to notice the posted requests. I am gratified when my state starts enforcing its “no texting while driving” rule, giving me official back-up for my car’s bumper sticker demand: “Hang Up and Drive!”

But alas, the next generations are turning bossy on me. Younger people now increasingly remind me of their norms. My son scolds me for idling my car as I listen to the end of the hour’s news. A youthful stranger berates me for wrong-way biking down a one-way street, my habitual route since the 1960s. A workshop colleague who’s in her 20s nixes paper handouts. A sports partner half my age tells me that my bottled water is a no-no. When I return with a refillable plastic bottle, I’m scolded because it’s not BPA-free.

In public restrooms, I now feel obliged, if youngsters are present, to use the noisy air dryer rather than tree-killing paper towels. When I fail to bring a recyclable bag to the supermarket, I feel like a lawbreaker, my city having outlawed “single use” plastic or paper bags. We must pay, from now on, for profligate bag usage.

I could carp, but I’m beginning to realize that there’s something to their bossiness.

The bad behaviors I consider scold-worthy are minor compared to the consequences of not paying attention to theirs. It’s their country, their future, their climate-changed earth, their global survival, that’s now at stake.

It’s the next generation’s right to be bossy, and my generation’s role is now to add their good behavior rules to my repertoire.

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How I Will Fall Apart – or Not

Barbara Beckwith, Age 87

Over my 87 years, I’ve considered myself fit and athletic. But I’m a realist, so I’ve started compiling a list of all the ways that I may, sooner or later, fall apart.

My list is one way of steeling myself for eventual decline, even as I hope to surpass my father’s record of 98 years with hair, teeth, body, and mind all intact.

Recent tests say that I have the heart of a 30-year-old but also bones of my real age. A squash court injury has revealed bone-thinning osteoporosis., So I’ve given up racquet sports, taken up swimming, and added “disabling fall” to my fall-apart possibilities.

I make small adjustments, following behaviorist B. F. Skinner who famously declared: “If you’re old, don’t try to change yourself, change your environment.” I’ve installed banisters on either side of the steps I used to leap up two at a time. I now climb them with attention to balance, groping the wall at the handrail-less corner at the top.

I’m groping for balance as well, when it comes to holding onto what sustains me as I try to pare down what’s on my desk and in the attic. If and when I fall apart, I don’t want to leave my kids an unwanted mess. Alas, the books on my shelves pile up, stacked two deep. I console myself that my continued purchases keep local indie bookstores solvent. And when I begin culling the piles of paper from my teaching and organizing years, and the letters I’ve saved over the decades, I find myself sitting for hours, digging up treasures I can’t bear to throw out.

I’ve so far held onto words, both ordinary and esoteric, that I use in my writing. But I realize that at some point, I may start to draft essays that I fail to finish, tell stories that listeners don’t “get,” and fail to notice friends’ indulgent “hmm” responses. My occasional experience of opening the fridge and forgetting what I’d been looking for, may devolve into something more serious.

So yes, one way or another, I may soon fall apart. Or maybe not. Because I’ve started a second list of How I Won’t Fall Apart, modeled after elders in my life whom I’ve admired.

I can follow my cousin Mar’s lead: she kept her body in shape doing heavy yard work, cutting wood, and fending off black bears. Playing squash once kept me fit: along with swimming, dancing AND tai chi are possible backups.

If standing upright gets hard, I can emulate the activist I once thought of, decades ago, as “the old white woman” who enlisted me to sit for hours in courtrooms as a “court watcher” monitoring the fairness of trials of Black men, especially Black Panther defendants.

Even if my body fails me, I can be like my neighbor, who, though bedridden with cancer, kept her heart engaged. On our visits, she’d prefer to talk not about herself, but to hear about my husband’s latest lab project, how my grandsons were doing at school, or what I was writing.

And once my body begins to fail, I can still use my voice, as my husband’s aunt did in her nineties, stationing her wheelchair on a street corner every week in order to wave her “Stop the War’ sign. Just before she died at age 100, Aunt Erna, a life-long peace and justice activist, was still greeting visitors with a fervent “What shall we do about Iraq?”

Even if my voice fails, I can carry on as my mother, a conversationalist and punster, managed to do when cancer required removal of her larynx. She used fewer – but always apt – words, conveyed through a mechanical voice gadget. Her quips still cracked us up and her brief, always apt, remarks kept making us think.

And if I end up in a nursing home, I will stick to my principles, as my father did when he voted for highway and bridge repair, shocking the election “monitor” who inappropriately warned him that doing so would lead to “more taxes.” He kept his eye on the future while also enjoying each present day. He’d dip a cookie into his drink, and proclaim, with a guffaw: “It sure enhances the taste of water.” He’s passed both his values and guffaw onto me, so I know that I will always be able to laugh at my falling apart ways. Because to laugh is to savor whatever life is left to me.

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On turning seventy five

Judi Meirowitz Tischler, Almost 75

As my seventy fifth birthday approaches I have begun to collect resolutions.
The first is to never again drive from my home in Boston to New York City, the city where I was born and raised, and where my daughter, son in law and three of my eight grandchildren live. I will take Amtrak and only sit in the quiet car. The goal is to arrive relaxed.

The second is to never again attempt to resolve a consumer dispute on my phone if it requires more than one input of typed information.The keys are too small and my fingers are too stiff and clumsy. Contributing to this decision has been noting that many of these attempts have resulted in mistakes and re-dos.
I have also resolved not to stay on -hold for more than fifteen minutes at one sitting. This is especially the case if I suspect that only one of the parties to the conversation is an actual human being who is becoming exasperated

The To-Do resolutions also relate to time management and mood.
My weekly calendar will be built around at least one social outing, perhaps a lunch date with a friend, or a bit more challenging, with an acquaintance who has new- friend potential. This would result in a tasty midday meal, something I have neglected in my retirement, accompanied by conversation about provocative, gossipy or steamy subjects. These categories frequently overlap.

My resolutions also include scheduled catch-up phone calls with close friends who do not live nearby. These are people with whom the ties are so tight that no formalities are needed beyond arranging for uninterrupted time together via an old-fashioned telephone call, feet up on a pillow or under our respective covers reminiscent of childhood sleepovers.

Although I relish my daily walk in the woods, or in slippery or wet weather on the neighborhood sidewalks, I prefer these to be solo, at my own pace with my own musings. Talking and walking, ever since developing hearing loss, requires too much straining and ‘What did you say?” to be enjoyable.

With my career in the rearview mirror, I have embraced volunteer activities and participation in groups devoted to community involvement and intellectual growth. These undertakings require a kind of time management not structured around child rearing or career advancement and bring the added reward of new relationships and perspectives, and broader destinations.

Of course there are the household chores, cleaning and tidying, grocery shopping and resultant cooking, and interactions with my spouse. These have a rhythm and language of their own and hopefully have developed a plasticity to adapt to the changing me.

What has brought this on?
My early 70’s have contained much personal loss. More than a few of my friends and relatives have passed away. There have been hospital visits, funerals and reconfigured relationships. I know that there is more ahead, some filled with great pain and adjustments. I have been feeling a need to carefully prioritize people over the other things that can fill up time and deplete energy. I have not easily become fluent in the language of technology as the functioning connector between people and between people and tasks. I have lost the spontaneity of picking up the phone and calling someone. Should I call or text or email or whatsapp or… ? This past year, I received many holiday cards through the mail. Not one was from a friend or acquaintance. Each was from a charitable organization to whom I had contributed money. Many had future donation cards enclosed. What has happened to the personal missive, signature, envelope and stamp, and the lingering memento to put on the fridge or bookshelf?

Clearly, it is not aging alone that has stimulated these resolutions. The world is a mess. I feel at a loss to affect significant changes beyond small personal decisions. Is this enough to feel activated as I greet my upcoming birthday? I am confident that it is.

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Old and scared – Quite a trip

Diana, Age 79

My husband of 52 years and I have one of those relationships that younger people point out to each other and sigh “I hope that’s us one day.”

Fifty-two years of connection – hard fought, hard won. Never easy.

And we know that it’s drawing to close. His health is precarious. Is this our last summer? Our last year? Our last dinner?

He’s just spent two months in and out of the hospital and rehab for an unsolvable problem. We just spent 19 hours on hard chairs in the ER waiting room. Holding hands, exchanging glances. Not needing to talk. Just being together

I could hear people around us commenting. Basically ‘so old, yet so in love.’ So old and so scared would have more accurate.

I spend the weeks he was hospitalized driving across town in the midst a record-breaking heat wave, spending nights sitting at his side when he was scared and confused.

We all know how this story will end.

But it was a quite a trip.

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My story-falling

By Loretta Parker-Brown

Maybe exercising a few times a week and occasionally doing yoga keeps these aging bones strong, or perhaps I’m just lucky.

Several months ago, I fell off the bed while dreaming. Until then, I cannot remember falling out of bed before, not even as a child. There have been other falls. I’ve fallen in and out of love numerous times during my 76 years. About six years ago, I fell down the stairs while rushing to answer the door. I was four steps above the bottom landing and wearing my favorite, old rubber-sole slippers, which I should have thrown away long ago. One of my feet slipped on the stairs, causing my knee to buckle. I lunged forward, threw my arms out in front of me like I was diving into a swimming pool, and landed in a heap on the floor. Blessed assurance! I didn’t hurt anything but my pride, and the next day, I trashed the slippers.

My bedroom layout is such that the head of my queen-sized bed is beside the bedroom door. I sleep on the left side of the bed. Against the wall on my side are a nightstand and bureau. Between those two pieces of heavy wooden furniture and the bed is a narrow space of slightly over 13 inches. My girth from left to right is broader than that space. Okay, I’m not that broad. There is enough room to walk from the foot to the head of the bed if a body turns sideways.

On the night, I toppled off the bed. I had been having a crazy dream. One moment, I was chasing a villain. The next moment, the villain was chasing me. I ran everywhere, dodging cars, ducking behind buildings, and hiding in backyards.

I was deep in sleep and didn’t feel myself falling off the bed until I hit the floor with a loud thud. Not only did the fall wake me up, but it also woke my boo, who had been sleeping beside me.

As it always is at night, our bedroom was dark except for the street light shining through the blinds. Boo jumped out of bed and, without stopping to turn on the light, ran around to my side of the bed, reached down, grabbed my hand, and attempted to pull me up.

“Are you okay?” he asked anxiously.

My 5 foot 6, creamed coffee brown, full-figure body was face-down in a heap on the floor, sandwiched like a Big Mac between the storage drawers on the bed frame and the furniture on the opposite side. Boo was tugging on my arm, and I was struggling to get up, but one of my feet was wedged in the space beneath the bureau and the hardwood floor, making it difficult to free my leg. Simultaneously, I thought this gives new meaning to “I’ve fallen, and I can’t get up.”

He was pulling, I was pushing, and my body wasn’t budging. “Wait! Let go of my arm so I can turn over. I said. “I’m stuck.”

He gently released my hand. I twisted and jiggled my foot, finally freeing it from under the dresser, and then pushed myself from my belly up onto my knees. Boo took hold of my waist as I put one hand on the bed and the other on the dresser and rose to my feet.

“Another nightmare?” he said.

“Don’t ask.” I replied.

I did a mental check and assured myself that nothing felt broken, and I hadn’t hit my head. But I had landed heavily on my upper right arm, and a couple of days later, a nasty-looking, 4-inch, black bruise appeared between my shoulder and elbow.

After 23 years together, my boo is as baffled as I am over my kicking, punching, and trashing around nightmares that only began about two years ago. He wakes me when he realizes I am physically acting out a dream, and occasionally he’ll jokingly say, “Sometimes I wonder if you are really asleep when you’re beating up on me.”

I’ve read that several things can cause animated nightmares: certain medications (I don’t take any meds. That’s a blessing), traumas, and even reading scary books or watching frightening movies before bedtime.

The morning after my fall, I told my grown daughter about it. That evening, she came to my home carrying a flat box and said, “Mom, I have a surprise for you. Come with me.” I followed her to the bedroom and watched in awe as she unboxed, assembled, and put a bed guardrail on my side. Then, as she was leaving, she said, “Pleasant dreams.”

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Thriving beyond 70 with wisdom and connection

Here is the direct link to the podcast at Restless to Renewed. We, Jane and Ellen were asked by Janice Neely about our decades long friendship, the evolution of our 70Candles project and lessons learned.
We hope you enjoy listening to it and will share your reactions.

https://restlesstorenewed.buzzsprout.com/2197291/14963885-thriving-beyond-seventy-with-wisdom-and-connection

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